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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.07.18 23:17:00 -
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TerdY420 wrote:Please let us respec after being nerfed into oblivion.
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.07.18 23:45:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:From another respec thread Nova Knife wrote:Lol guys. You're being pretty premature with this. Having seen both the suit changes and some other changes that will be landing with them... I'm not convinced a respect is needed. Something to keep in mind, is from the blog post about logistics suits : Quote:
These changes are intended to alleviate some of the current issues with the Logistics suits, but theyGÇÖre still not getting us where we want to be with the suits. A technical issue is currently preventing us from authoring suit bonuses that alter equipment functionality. When this is solved weGÇÖll be giving Logistics suits the bonuses they need to make their role truly shine.
Having been told what they want to do with the suits when they get the proper code in place... Anyone who says logistics suits will be useless/not worth using will be absolutely insane... They'll be outclassed somewhat by assaults (which is proper) but the utility they provided will be absolutely critical for competitive play, so people who specced into logi will be highly valued in PC and FW. Hang tight. Let them give you all the info before you go off shouting that CCP went and made useless ALL THE THINGS :)
Lol. There should definitely not be a Respec, but anyone who says that assaults should properly be better than logistics, or heavies, or scouts, shouldn't be on the cpm. |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.07.18 23:56:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
Lol. There should definitely not be a Respec, but anyone who says that assaults should properly be better than logistics, or heavies, or scouts, shouldn't be on the cpm.
I wasn't really clear, and I apologize :) I was referring in regards to the 'slayer role' in which most people have specced logi for, because they are currently superior to the assaults in that aspect! That won't be the case with the changes, but logistics suits will be far from useless in terms of combat or utility. They just won't have the best raw hp/damage potential anymore.
Slayer is the only role that exists in dust atm. As soon as you can do something other than dm or objective dm then we can have suits that are inferior at slaying.
Hell, I thought you guys would have understood this by now. Look at llavs. What are they being used for? Just like logi suits. Want to know why? Because there are no other roles.
Look at eve if you want to see what alternate roles actually look like. Today, in dust, we have alternate names and that's it. |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:16:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Nova Knife wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
Lol. There should definitely not be a Respec, but anyone who says that assaults should properly be better than logistics, or heavies, or scouts, shouldn't be on the cpm.
I wasn't really clear, and I apologize :) I was referring in regards to the 'slayer role' in which most people have specced logi for, because they are currently superior to the assaults in that aspect! That won't be the case with the changes, but logistics suits will be far from useless in terms of combat or utility. They just won't have the best raw hp/damage potential anymore. Slayer is the only role that exists in dust atm. As soon as you can do something other than dm or objective dm then we can have suits that are inferior at slaying. Hell, I thought you guys would have understood this by now. Look at llavs. What are they being used for? Just like logi suits. Want to know why? Because there are no other roles. Look at eve if you want to see what alternate roles actually look like. Today, in dust, we have alternate names and that's it. Buster STFU cause you don't know what you're talking about. Quote:Slayer is the only role that exists in dust atm Is the AV role designed for slaying buster or the support role? Cleary another ignorant post from someone who has nevered PC'd which only leads to one conclusion... Bad player making bad posts
lol.
Haven't played PC. That's the only part you got right. BTW, most dust players havent, which makes PC decidedly a minority. You aren't as important as you think you are.
I will give you this though, to be genteel and all, Dust has the protobuds of roles, like AV, but it doesn't yet have roles.
I assume you don't play Eve or you'd know what a real role looks like.
One day Dust may get there, but it's far from there now. The only viable role in Dust, currently, is slayer. Which is why everyone converts everything in to a slayer role, like LLAVs.
For the record, at least in pubs where most players are, if you didn't get kills for doing AV, most players wouldn't. |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:21:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:CCP Mintchip wrote:No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update. This is why no one is playing :P why spend never refundable sp on a system that changes non stop... Maybe if the grind wasn't 32 years Too be fair, 1.3 is far too early to be discussing respecs. One last respec should only occur once all heavies, scouts, tanks, lavs, loldropships, and racial ARs are in the game.
What about MTACS, MAVs, Jets, racial variants of other weapons, cloaking, etc?
No repecs anymore.
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:41:00 -
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Fiddlestaxp wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
Slayer is the only role that exists in dust atm
At least a third of my corp doesn't play a slayer role. We have had a fair bit of success in this setup. You are the same guy that doesn't think the core flaylock is overpowered. Stay away from balance threads. My best bet is that your post are bad, failed meta. The game can't be balanced around pub matches. Players in pub matches are free from having to create counterstrategy for the most part. Without the threat of repeated matches against similar tactics, no real strategic depth can emerge in a game. If someone is stomping you in a pub, you can leave and switch battle servers or queue dodge. If someone is stomping you in a PC match, you better figure our a way to beat what they are doing, or you are going back to the pub matches. This is why counters are made. Not so that you hit the lotto and have fused locus out in your pubs and a bunch of scouts spawn in. None of us want to stomp you in the pub matches. You guys don't have enough skillpoints to be competitive either way (not your fault, CCP's fault)
Wow. I guess I missed the elite douchebag requirement for joining PC. I thought you just needed clones?
As I've said, in many threads BTW, balancing around PC is fine, as long as there's enough of you generating enough data to make that feasible. But CCP cannot balance around PC play only. Most Dust players don't play that game, sure it needs to be balanced too, but so does pub play. Like it or not, PC is not the end all be all of Dust.
PVE is coming soon as well, and that will need to be balanced as well. |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:50:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:I mean, look at DLC for disc based games... at least any not released by Crapcom. If I were to go out and buy Dark Souls, I would know that I bought a COMPLETE game, Dust just doesn't give me that feeling.
Dust will never be complete. |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:57:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:I mean, look at DLC for disc based games... at least any not released by Crapcom. If I were to go out and buy Dark Souls, I would know that I bought a COMPLETE game, Dust just doesn't give me that feeling. Dust will never be complete. By that logic, no game will ever be complete because develops can always add DLC if they want to. Do you think that right now, as it stands, Dust 514 is a 60 dollar game?
No. Nor did it cost me 60 dollars.
My point, is that CCP has already stated, multiple times, that there will be no respecs. I think that's pretty much the end of the story.
If we compare Eve of 9 years ago, to Eve of today, the entire thing has changed, yet no repec has been given out in all the time I've played (As I understand it there was on early on).
So, CCP, apparently, has decided that there is enough content to do a respec freeze. The fact that you and I differ on where we might draw the line, doesn't really amount to a hill of beans. 
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:04:00 -
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Fiddlestaxp wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Fiddlestaxp wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
Slayer is the only role that exists in dust atm
At least a third of my corp doesn't play a slayer role. We have had a fair bit of success in this setup. You are the same guy that doesn't think the core flaylock is overpowered. Stay away from balance threads. My best bet is that your post are bad, failed meta. The game can't be balanced around pub matches. Players in pub matches are free from having to create counterstrategy for the most part. Without the threat of repeated matches against similar tactics, no real strategic depth can emerge in a game. If someone is stomping you in a pub, you can leave and switch battle servers or queue dodge. If someone is stomping you in a PC match, you better figure our a way to beat what they are doing, or you are going back to the pub matches. This is why counters are made. Not so that you hit the lotto and have fused locus out in your pubs and a bunch of scouts spawn in. None of us want to stomp you in the pub matches. You guys don't have enough skillpoints to be competitive either way (not your fault, CCP's fault) Wow. I guess I missed the elite douchebag requirement for joining PC. I thought you just needed clones? As I've said, in many threads BTW, balancing around PC is fine, as long as there's enough of you generating enough data to make that feasible. But CCP cannot balance around PC play only. Most Dust players don't play that game, sure it needs to be balanced too, but so does pub play. Like it or not, PC is not the end all be all of Dust. Can you bold the part where I am being elitist? Agree that it can't be balanced around PC data alone, but pub data needs to be purely supplemental. What is overpowered in PC is usually OP in pubs. What is OP in pubs can have 16 people working together against it, and may not be overpowered in PC. What is OP in both, needs to be fixed. Caldari Logis and Core Flaylocks are overpowered in both. Lets not even talk about balancing for PVE until we have PVE? "Soon" doesn't really have a meaning in the traditional sense.
Rereading your post, you aren't overly elitist, just a bit. Combined with Regnum's trash earlier, I guess I was just primed for it. Having said that though, your post does reek though of subtle elitism - playing PC doesn't make you better, just like playing pubs doesn't make someone worse, just different. I can see that your post has the air about it of trying to smack me down because you and I disagree on the idea of what balance means, and what indicates a mistake in balance. Disagreements are normal. Trying to imply that pub players have too few SP to be competitive is pretty laughable actually.
You aren't better than anyone else. Got it? This is why I believe that PC should be a consideration for balancing, but honestly, it isn't a very important part of the game right now, so it should be the secondary consideration until it is.
It's true PC matches are more organized. That's about it though, and all that means is that we have two different games here, and they need to be treated as such. Also, PVE is coming soon, and I'm sure it's a consideration to CCP even if you don't want to admit as much. |
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